In today's alternative media, there can
be found a plethora of topics ranging from the seemingly tame to that
which seems outlandish. These topics come from a variety of
different sources, making it somewhat difficult for many people to
make sense of the entire subject.
The popular area of UFOlogy has been
somewhat of a wild card ever since its introduction into popular
culture. On any given website which covers this topic of UFOs, we
will often find a mixture between that which is reliable and that
which simply makes a good story. This raises the question of which
subjects hold true and valuable information and which ones are simply
valuable for entertainment.
This episode of Cosmic Disclosure gives
us clues into the process of deciphering that which is reliable from
that which is not so reliable. Within this discussion, Dr. Bob Wood
gives further details of his experience working at Douglas Aircraft
Company on various projects, and from his testimony, we can observe
further details on not only the information which Dr. Wood discloses,
but the numerous ways in which he is able to verify the material he
presents.
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And just the correlation between Corey Goode and William Tompkins alone is something that could potentially start a wildfire all over the planet in terms of Full Disclosure and understanding that the things that we're going to be talking about in this episode are absolutely true as far out in sci-fi as they may seem to the uninitiated.
So Corey, welcome back to the program.
Corey Goode: Thank you.
David: And Dr. Bob, it's good to see you again.
Dr. Bob Wood: Yes, thank you.
David: So let's just go back really briefly, and I want to bring up J. Allen Hynek.
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Bob: Yes.
Now, here's the guy who actually coined the term “swamp gas” as a part of the Project Blue Book.
Now, what you may not know, or maybe you do, is that I've been working with Jim Hart, who wrote the movie “Contact”, coauthored the screenplay. It was eight years of development total in that project, and he was working with Carl Sagan. And as a result of these high-level contacts, he had exposure to J. Allen Hynek.
Bob: Yes.
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David: And what a lot of people don't know is that J. Allen Hynek realized that he had been duped by the U.S. government, and that he turned around.
Do you find that these people who are specializing in disinformation eventually do come around after they do more homework? Do they realize that they've been lied to, that they were used as pawns in this greater chess game?
Bob: Well, J. Allen Hynek actually swam in my swimming pool during that time, . . .
David: Really?
Bob: . .. between '68 and '70 when I was doing this research.
David: No kidding.
Bob: And so I knew both J. Allen Hynek and Jim McDonald, even though they didn't really talk to each other very much, very often.
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| Dr. Bob Wood (left) and Jerry Pippin (right) at the "Crash Retrieval Conference" of 2008 |
David: Wow!
Bob: The first involvement I had with people who were disinformation guys was Bill Moore. And Bill Moore, as many people know, was given some information that was apparently controlled, and he leaked it knowing that it was not correct.
And I wound up buying all of his material from him. Actually, I made him an offer. I said, how much do you want to sell everything you got? And he said, “$1,000”. And so I said, “Okay”.
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David: Wow!
Note:
The existence of these professional
disinformation artists has become well known for anyone who was
attentive to social media during the year 2015. This was a time when
it was both reported and observed that trolling and disinformation on
social media were at an all time high. In fact, according to past
testimony by David Wilcock, this time period was referred to the
“2015 Forum Wars” within the black ops community.
The frequency of psy-ops,
fear-mongering, and infusion of half-truths into the alternative
community was so common that many people are still attempting to sort
out the situation. This time period in 2015 left many people
quarreling, confused, and torn between that which they want to trust
and that which was only meant to deceive and distract.
Many of us will remember the “Jade
Helm” rumor which never panned out, the invasion of ISIL, and even
the straggling overstated rumors of random meteors that were supposed
to strike on one specific day and time. None of these panned out.
Yet so many people bought into them simply because they were popular.
Given the fact that we have a variety
of professional disinformation artists cooking up many of the stories
we hear about online, it only seems to wise to learn to be less
gullible and to become more attentive to the repetitive and
predictable tactics of deception we have already seen. As I see it,
this is the only way to counteract the people who are deliberately
attempting to discredit the truth movement and to make it distasteful
to newcomers.
In our studies of any aspect of the
paranormal, it is important to remain responsible and reliable in our
thought process. After all, we may learn that the information and
the conclusions we draw can only hold as much integrity as we
ourselves do.
Bob: I wrote the check and went down to his place in Hollywood and got it from him. I said, “Is this all?” And he said, “Yes.”
Well, I cataloged it. And it turns out there was nothing really revolutionary in anything that I got from him.
Other people say that the documents that I have have been craftily architected in order to – by a group of CIA guys, for example, who you could imagine a room full of 20 people who are all experts in creating false documents.
So that scenario is hard to wave off, but there are so many little subtleties in the documents – the stamps, the timing – that, in my judgment, the vast majority of the documents that I have are really authentic.
And so I'm willing to accept there's an occasional one that might have been partly phony. And that happens.
David: Well, and Bob, isn't it true that these are exactly the types of proofs that the hardcore scientific types are asking for? And you have that. You have documents that have been verified.
Bob: That's right.
David: We know when they were done, and we know what they say.
Bob: That's right. The skeptics, however, come back with the usual response that, “Well, you can't really do much with copies. You got to have the originals.”
So I say, “Well, I have originals. Two cases, I have originals. Let's look at only those, and then go through one of these originals which deals very deeply with the assassination of JFK and the relationship to UFOs.”
And then they really don't have responses to that. But, I mean, the authenticity issues then become harder for the skeptics to do that.
David: Bob, you dropped the bomb. You cannot race over that. What did it say about JFK and UFOs? What does the document say?
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Bob: It's an eight-page document, and it had tabs. Actually, there were eight tabs. And each tab was designed to deal with a different aspect of the secrecy problem.
It was written through MJ1 through MJ12.
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David: Oh!
Bob: Yeah, it was a Majestic. In effect, it said, if, in fact, it becomes clear that he's really going to leak everything, then he ought to be taken out.
David: Wow!
Bob: It's different words.
David: Everything about the UFO cover-up.
Bob: They didn't mention his name . . .
David: Oh.
Bob: . . . but they used the Secret Service
Corey: POTUS.
Bob: POTUS.
Corey: Oh, yeah, they used to have code names for him.
Bob: Yeah. Yeah.
Corey: Were you involved in authenticating the MJ12 documents?
Bob: Yes, nearly all the documents that I had were MJ12 or Majestic or Magic.
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Corey: Okay, so when the people received it, you were one of the people that looked at the documents to . . .
Bob: All the documents I had were leaked from various sources. There are three or four different sources.
David: Now, when you say 'leaked', this doesn't mean that people filed a Freedom of Information Act request . . .
Bob: No, no.
David: . . . and they got it legally through the government.
Bob: There was one . . .
David: Those were squirreled away.
Bob: . . . one document that then Cooper got legally that says “MJ12” at the bottom.
Corey: Oh, really?
Bob: Yeah.
David: Wow!
Corey: Okay.
David: But the others were pulled out?
Bob: The others were just given by . . . you can speculate exactly how, but I . . . There's one case . . . One guy showed up to Tim Cooper's door and gave him a box full of stuff. And it was clear that he was cleaning out his files just to get rid of them. Ha, ha, ha.
David: Ha, ha, ha.
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Bob: And another document, which was an encyclopedia of flying saucers written by Charles Bowen, was a document that had been created as a history of the subject as of 1950s, I think, something like that, and was sent to the Air Force to make sure there was nothing in there that was classified.
In 1994, it was mailed to Timothy Cooper from Fort Meade.
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David: Hm.
Bob: And actually it was original, and it was stamped “Top Secret”. But it had on it notations like “what is DM doing?” Where they were saying “Don Menzo was telling his classes that there were aliens.”
David: Hm.
Bob: So this is the kind of wide set of experiences I've had in authenticating documents, and all of them can be attacked by skeptics. That never ends. There's no way you can ever get rid of it completely.
Even the latest thing that I thought has real potential is forensic linguistics, where you can take a large number of words that a person has written and then compare it, . . . say, make up two or three different people and then compare the question documents' words against those.
And then, depending on the phraseology and the use of verbs, commas, and stuff like that, you could say the probability that this person wrote it is much higher than that one or the other one.
Corey: And you can tell what era they wrote it in by the phrasing and everything.
Bob: Yeah. Yeah. So that's one technique I used just once.
David: Well, Bob, let me ask you this. Documents and validation, obviously, would represent one of the two critical aspects of investigative UFOlogy. I mean, maybe there's three. Okay?
So you have your documents. You have eyewitness sightings. You know, is there a pilot's report? Is there a ground sighting that correlates with the pilot's report? Are there landing tracings?
Let's just talk about that briefly. Did you go through your due diligence on some of these documents in terms of trying to find out if there were . . . Were any of them involving sightings that you could then validate that the sightings happened? Or did you study people that had sightings and try to correlate pilot sightings, ground-based sightings, landing traces, that kind of stuff?
Bob: That's a good question because it makes me think about the fact that most of the documents I'm trying to authenticate don't deal with sightings at all.
Note:
It seems that ever since the crash at
Roswell, New Mexico, the subject of UFOs has been topic of confusion,
to restate. From that point on, we have seen a sort of conflict
between the corporate news media and the alternative media sources
that refused to buy into the corporate story. Over time, the
alternative community has theorized about what truly took place at
Roswell, as well as the truth behind many other instances of UFO
encounters.
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In modern corporate media, this
dichotomy still exists. It seems that more and more we see an
ever-increasing narrative of UFO reality that contrasts the past
years of the automatic denial and childish joking about the subject.
However, the increasing amount of semi-honesty in media still seems
to be coupled with the refusal for complete honesty. The reality of
partial disclosure on UFOs has been with us for a number of years
now, though some may not have noticed. It may only a matter of time
until either the media comes forward with the truth, or that the
truth comes forward ahead of their inability to initiate it.
David: Oh, okay.
Bob: They really deal with the covert programs.
David: Okay.
Bob: But the fact that I became involved after I retired and did this movie “The Secret” and continued to give papers, my son started a crash retrieval series, and he did seven years' worth of crash retrievals in October. It had a wide audience.
And so for these crash retrieval meetings, I wound up giving a paper each time on something or other and established myself as a person who was willing to dig as deep as necessary to understand the subject, one of which, of course, was the alien viruses.
One was Stringfield. What does Stringfield really say? What was he trying to say?
And so I established myself as a person of some integrity, I think. And that's why Bill Tompkins called me up.
David: Oh, okay.
Bob: He said, “I hear you like to look at UFO stories.” And I say, “Yeah.” I said, “Who are you?”
So he explained to me who he was, and he said he'd been trying to write a book for 10 years, and he'd given it to various people to write and gave me the names of some of them.
Corey: I'm sure that description he gave you of what he did . . . your eyebrows probably raised about that high.
Bob: Well, he didn't really tell me that much at the beginning of the conversation, but he did say that he was . . . I think one of the reasons . . . he knew where I had worked. And he'd figured out that I worked there at the same time he did.
David: Wow!
Bob: So soon as I found out that he was there from the time I was there, then I got very interested. And I started to ask him, “Well, did you know this guy, that guy, and so forth.” And every time I asked him a specific question . . . I asked him to describe the room or the orientation of the building, stuff like that. And he had it all.
Corey: Wow!
David: That's amazing.
Bob: So then I got really interested. And I said, “Well, tell me more of your story.” And he said, “Well, okay.”
So he . . . To get it, since he didn't do email, I had to go visit him. So I went to visit him. It turned out at that time, he lived in Oceanside, California, which is where my daughter lives. So it was just a quick stop when I was seeing my daughter to go over and meet Bill Tompkins and his wife Mary.
And they made me feel very welcome. And that's when I got the first stack of the manuscript, when I read the overall scope of what he wanted to say.
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David: I want to run two things by you real quick. First of all, you've said to me, based on your discussions with Bill, that “Selected by Extraterrestrials” is only the first of what he plans to be a trilogy of books because there's so much data that he has to disclose.
Bob: When I first met Bill, he had in his mind six books planned.
David: Wow!
Bob: And I subconsciously concluded that six books from a guy who hadn't published one was probably too many to think about.
David: Right.
Bob: So I just said, “Let's think about the first book, Bill, and how we're going to limit it.” He was talking about things that went on over a long time, from '70 to now. And I said, “We got to limit it, so let's pick a time.”
So he wanted to go beyond when he left Douglas up to when he went to TRW, because he says, “The TRW story, that's going to be the second book – what REALLY went on at TRW.”
I said, “Well, that sounds good. Yeah. Let's make that the second book, but let's limit ourselves to one up to that point in time.”
So we took material that was in that time zone, time frame, and, actually, I worked with a guy from the University of Michigan who had started on this, and he gave up. So he gave it back to me. And so I just started to attack it.
David: The degree to which Bill has validated his involvement in technical programs is staggering in this book.
Bob: Well, Dave, when I first got the manuscript, I asked myself the question of should I try to tell Bill what he ought to write for his autobiography? Or should I just let him write what he wants to write? And I concluded that the latter was the right way to go, at least on the first book.
So he included a lot of technical material having to do with the design of the Apollo and the S4B spacecraft that I was familiar with at Douglas, and his interaction with NASA, and the fact that he was interacting with DuBose and von Braun, of course, are relevant.
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David: I want to ask you a really direct question, and this is kind of a wild card. In the book, there's some very, very strange stuff about the early period of NASA, the early beginnings of it, in which Bill is involved. And they're having sex parties at these people's houses where everybody's naked.
And then he goes into this very strange room with very strange curtains. And it seems like it's black magic or something that's being done in there.
Could you tell us a little bit about that part of the book and what do you think was going on there?
Bob: Well, my recollection is what you're probably referring to are the parties at Douglas Aircraft Company, not NASA.
David: Right. Oh, okay. Right.
Bob: And he claims that the executives at Douglas would try to have these parties in order to get control of their employees so they would, in effect, be able to be blackmailed or do what they wanted to do.
Corey: That's an old, old, old tactic.
Bob: Yeah, right. Now, I knew all the people he's talking to. When he gave me the names in the book, I asked him, I said, “Well, who are these guys?”
So he gave me a list of names, and names for the book, the real names. So I have that list. And I knew some of them very well. A couple of them were my bosses at a later time.
However, it turned out that I was fortunate that my wife at that time – I've only had two wives – but my wife and I decided that we would never become involved in company social activities.
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Corey: Imagine that.
David: Oh, wow!
Bob: So it turned out it was a lucky break. Ha, ha, ha.
David: Ha, ha, ha.
Bob: What can you say?
Corey: You probably would have turned around and left anyway.
Bob: Yeah.
David: That was actually why I was asking. I was really curious because he describes wandering into . . . I mean, you didn't say it, so I'll say it. He describes people having sex in these big mansions, wandering into rooms where it's all like blood red and black decor, black curtains.
Bob: Yeah.
David: And it looks very much like a satanic type of ritual room.
Bob: That's an association I had not yet made – the satanic aspect – but that might well be the case.
David: Yeah.
Bob: I just kind of went over those areas and decided, well, I was lucky I avoided all that stuff.
David: Right.
Bob: And I was lucky that Bill avoided it, too. Now, I asked him . . . well, that question . . . “Well, were they successful in seducing you or not?”
He said, “No, they did not.”
Corey: But with the Germans in the space program, they used black magic along with science.
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Bob: Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah.
David: Well, let's go into for a minute, because he does jump around a lot in the timeline in the book.
Bob: Right.
David: It's a little frustrating to try to read it and figure out what he's talking about.
Bob: Right.
David: He's referring to, for example, some very . . . He's referring to physics discoveries that were apparently classified that I'd never heard of before regarding antigravity and faster-than-light speed propulsion. But then that just shows up, and he doesn't really set up who invented this stuff or anything.
Bob: Yeah, the discussion of the book that relates to MTM 222, 622, is interesting to me because, in my judgment, Wolfgang Klemperer, who was the scientist he worked for, whom I knew personally, was my boss, actually, my boss's boss . . .
David: Wow!
Bob: . . . he came from Germany in the mid '30s, and he was not a Nazi. He was a good guy.
David: Okay.
Bob: But in my judgment, he was able to bring with him some classified stuff about how antigravity works. And he had . . . it was in three volumes, three or four volumes, I think, according to Bill.
And I said, “Well, can I see that?” And he said, “Sure.” So he gave me the unclassified version, which I read cover to cover. And it doesn't say anything.
Corey: Being a physicist, I'm sure you did. Yeah.
Bob: It doesn't say anything about how you could do it. But I've concluded that the think tank that they were in, that Klemperer was using the classified versions of the German technology in order to help the Navy figure out how they worked.
And when the Douglas management, which is what Bill says, would not support the vault [think tank] that was under Elmer Wheaton's control to do unusual stuff because, like he says, the manufacturing part of the company was very powerful in influencing the decisions by the CEO.
That's when Wheaton decided he'd go to Lockheed, where Lockheed was getting money from the Navy anyway.
David: Hm. I guess what I'm trying to drive at is sometimes reading this book, I feel like I'm reading other people's mail, like I'm barging in on something, and I want to know more. Was he restricted from saying certain things? Did he have to get this book vetted out through authorities?
Bob: No. The book that we wrote?
David: Yeah.
Bob: Oh, no.
David: Okay.
Bob: There was no approval by anybody as far as I know. And in my own case, I've never been threatened by anybody to stop talking about what I talk about.
David: Okay.
Bob: And the reason for that, in my opinion, is because they figure that people like myself talking publicly is just harmless. They've already planned for that. They know it's going to happen. They've got a way to counter it.
They can keep the public in the dark and let a few people say what they think.
David: Sure.
Bob: Yeah.
Corey: Yeah, through mass media.
Bob: Yeah, right, through mass media control.
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David: So let's, in the time we have left . . .
Bob: Excuse me . . . So I really think that they were using some technology that came from the Germans that they were brought there by Wolfgang Klemperer in that vault.
David: Okay. So as far as the book represents . . . Let's just get clear on this. They already had this elaborate body of physics that suggested that they could build a large craft. They could basically build it in a base here on Earth, turn on these anti-gravity systems, just let it rise up into space.
And then they would have the ability with the technology that they've already developed in these physics breakthroughs to be able to fly it around in our solar system and beyond. But this is something that . . .
Bob: I think that's a fair summary of what the management of the program had in mind.
David: Okay.
Bob: But I don't think Bill ever grasped that at that time . . .
David: Oh.
Bob: . . . at that level. You have to emphasize that Bill, fully respectfully I say, is not a technical person. He was a super marketing guy, and he knew exactly what technical people should be told to do. He was an excellent manager of technical people. But as far as being aware of equations, no, he wouldn't be able to deal with that or have any interest in it. But he was very sensitive to who saw what.
Corey: Right. And I'm sure he had an overall grasp of what people were talking about even though he didn't understand the fine details.
Bob: Right. Right. And he had a . . . In my opinion, he was definitely a very good system engineer. He would understand how these had to be integrated together, even though he knew he didn't need equations to make them talk to each other.
David: Okay. I want to ask you another thing that . . . It's just something that people who read this book might kind of stumble over, is why do you think these guys, these high-level executives who you personally knew at Douglas Aircraft – you knew these people – why do they go up to Bill Tompkins and throw him these seemingly impossible puzzles to solve and say, “We need you to design a ship that's going to be two kilometers long, that flies through our solar system, and we need it by the end of the week?”
Why are they doing this to him? Was there some kind of intuitive thing that they felt he had because of the way he built ships when he was a kid?
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Bob: Well, he certainly had a remarkable memory . . .
David: Right.
Bob: . . . as evidence by the fact that he built the ships with great accuracy. Basically, he was a draftsman. And he admits and claims that he was . . . started out as a draftsman, but he was a very creative draftsman.
He could see how people would think something here, think something there, and he knew that they could use equations to make it happen. But they would ask him to do . . . In my opinion, they would ask him to draw pictures of the answer. So he was really a picture guy.
Corey: And then they would go in and figure out how to put components in and make it work.
Bob: Yeah. Yeah.
Corey: Do the environmental and propulsion.
David: Okay.
Bob: Now, there's one sketch of the book where it was the front of a DC-8, or something like that, where it's a beautiful example of how his drawing can go into exquisite detail, capture every little element that's critical and make it just right for the engineers who needed it.
In fact, I knew the guy who he's talking about.
David: Let's go talk now about this really over-the-top information that he was getting through these 29 spies from America embedded in the German space program when he was getting those 1,200 briefings from 1942 to 1946.
Could you just summarize for us? I know there's a lot of data, but summarize for us. What was the big picture that he started to put together during that time based on what these embedded spies were telling us here in America?
Bob: Well, Dave, I'll give you my best impression of what was going on in my words as I'm learning it, actually. I talked with him just this morning and learned something I didn't know that would be relevant to your question.
David: Sure, great.
Bob: I didn't know there were 29 until this morning.
David: Oh, okay.
Bob: Ha, ha, ha. Apparently, you guys have known that for a while.
David: Yeah.
Bob: But my impression is that this process was highly structured, that the Germans would say what they learned, it would be transcribed, it would be typed up, it would be reviewed, it would be understood by Bill, and then he would be asked to take this information either in the form of a request for proposal from a contractor or in the form of information to give to a Navy base for them to cogitate over, or in some cases to be given to a university.
He said in some cases, for instance, Caltech had people up at China Lake who were assigned there. He'd deliver something to Caltech via China Lake.
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David: Wow!
Bob: I thought that was very interesting that the university linkage at the top-secret level was something that most universities have no concept could have been going on.
Oh, one thing I just learned this morning was he emphasized that none of them were stamped “Top Secret”. None of them were classified. None of them were stamped with any classification marks, which was apparently the way Forrestal wanted it run.
Corey: It also allows them to disseminate it to more people if it's not marked.
Bob: Right. Yeah, and so they weren't stuck with the normal, formal Navy procedures of controlling classified information.
David: What's the story? What's the big picture? What was going on in Germany? Did they have a secret space program? Were they in contact with extraterrestrials? What were these people telling us? What was the story?
Bob: Those superior questions are exactly the questions I'd like to get the answers to.
David: Oh.
Bob: Instead of giving you answers, I'm afraid I still have to ask the questions. Because as far as I could tell, from what Bill is saying, it was quite a variety of different kind of information. Sometimes they were talking about communications.
Sometimes they were talking about physics. Sometimes they talk about UFO designs. Sometimes they were talking about time travel. I mean, things that would all blow your mind, but there was such a wide variety of things that he said that Rico Botta would write a little note on some of these packages in his own handwriting to the officer in charge of the base saying, “I know you're not going to believe what's inside, but it's really true.” That was significant.
That's one of the things that Bill just told me in the last week or so.
Corey: And each of the 29 spies had different specialties and brought information based on their specialties?
Bob: Apparently. I don't know.
Corey: Yeah, that would make sense if they had such different information.
Bob: Yeah, actually, the book “Selected by Extraterrestrials” dealt with the idea that he was involved in as a courier to these packages was a very, very tiny part of one chapter, I think.
David: Right.
Bob: Whereas the interest today is very strong on what were the details of what he did for those four years and what information was being transmitted and learned.
David: Yeah.
Bob: And that will be the content of the next book.
David: Okay.
Bob: That will be in there. And I think the next book will have the answers to your questions, hopefully.
David: I just want to drop it out there because we have Salla, who's already disclosed this in video interviews. And we also now here at Gaia have interviewed him, and he has spoken about a big picture, which is that the Germans had apparently developed contact with reptilian extraterrestrials, that those reptilian extraterrestrials had large facilities under the ice in Antarctica, . . .
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Bob: Right.
David: . . . that there was a secret space program involving the engineering of disks that could fly with antigravity, and that these reptilians were interested in creating an interstellar invasion force with the Nazis to essentially conquer and colonize other worlds as well as the Earth.
Bob: I agree with the first four things you said, but I've never had any exposure to the last thought . . .
David: Okay.
Bob: . . . until just now.
David: Well, since I just dropped that on you, how do you feel about this story, this idea that there could be reptilian extraterrestrials, that they could have helped us build the space program?
Bob: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think that's all straightforward, and I think Bill is right that the reptilians did help the Nazis and that they do have an underground base in Antarctica. I think it's there today.
I haven't figured out exactly how the Nazis and the New World Order work together, if they do, but somebody's in charge of something. But I don't think they coordinated it very well.
David: And I've got to tell you, Bob, the thing that blows my mind is that everything that I just summarized is exactly what he [pointing to Corey Goode] told me starting in October 2014.
Bob: Yeah.
David: And now we got a guy independently who's saying exactly the same stuff – bases under the ice in Antarctica.
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Corey: I've seen them.
Bob: You've seen them? So these are not just under the ice, they're under the land, too?
Corey: These were under the ice that I saw. It was in Northwest Antarctica where all of the thermal activity is.
And underneath the ice, there's thermal heat from the Earth, and it made, basically, like a giant igloo.
Bob: Uh-huh.
Corey: And parts of it, they cleared out with some sort of explosions and other engineering to make it fit what they needed. But the ceiling was in areas 300~600 feet high above the surface. And the mountains would go up and disappear into the ice, the top of the ice.
And on the surface of Antarctica, the actual ground is where they had a bunch of those round-top iron buildings like you see at an Air Force base. There were a bunch of those. It was an industrial-type city.
And their light reflected off the ceiling of the ice cavern.
Bob: Did they know you were there?
Corey: No. No, we were flown through. It was a reconnaissance flight.
Bob: Okay. So you were not an invited guest?
Corey: No.
Bob: Ha, ha. So how many Nazis do you think are there now?
Corey: Well, most of what they had was also under the ground. There were entrances to the underground.
Bob: Right.
Corey: So there was quite a bit going on down there.
Bob: Right.
Corey: This seemed to be more of an industrial area where they had giant black ships that are electromagnetically propulsed that would come up. And they were the size of container ships.
Bob: Wow!
Corey: They were huge. And they were off-loading supplies. So that might have been . . . It could be like an industrial and like a port.
David: So I think it's really cool that you're here because Tompkins and you both have such a valuable part of this puzzle.
Bob: Well, I think it's cool that I am here, too, because in the last month I decided that if there's one thing I wanted to do before I no longer can do it is to write a book titled “The Secret History of the United States” where we cover not only the UFO story, but what really went on in 9/11, who really did kill JFK, and all those other things that are alleged conspiracies, where every skeptic has tried to tear them down.
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Corey: Sounds like a good book.
Bob: And the thing that worries me is that it's hard for me to imagine that UFOs would be just one chapter in a chapter of 10.
Corey: It's a very small part of the equation.
Bob: That's right. But the challenge is really important because what you're saying is that there are some guys, including some aliens, who are really trying to make the world better and to give benefits to people so that things like a slave trade, whether it's galactic or local, it would go away.
Corey: Correct.
Bob: And I'm excited about that.
Corey: I am too. It's past time.
Bob: Yeah, so whatever I can do that would help, that's what my goal is. Actually, that's what the goal of MUFON is too. I mean, I don't know that those phrases, “world a better place”, is right in there, but I think it is. You want to . . .
Note:
It was mentioned in the last article on
the previous article on the Cosmic Disclosure series how the
reliability of a whistleblower can be determined by the way in which
they speak. We hear of how the impression given from William
Tompkins' book, “Selected by
Extraterrestrials,” how the text of this book tends to leave
out quite a bit of detailed information.
Selected by Extraterrestrials: My life in the top secret world of UFOs, think-tanks and Nordic secretaries
The way in which David Wilcock
describes the numerous disclosures in this book is reminiscent of one
of the qualities of Dr. Wood's testimony. That is the inclusion of a
variety of disclosure which yield information that would be amazing
to the average person, but which includes much less detail than most
of us in the audience would hope for. As mentioned last week, this
is not necessarily a bad thing. However, it can be a bit frustrating
for those who and eager to learn the finer details of the story.
This quality of testimony seems to come from a perspective that has
become so used to the unusual and out-of-this-world that they begin
to view these occurrences as normal.
Initially this perspective of viewing
the extraordinary as commonplace can leave many of us in the audience
with more questions than answers. There is a bit of a disconnect in
this case between the experiencer of the testimony and those of us
receiving it secondhand. However, this is easily remedied. To add,
it serves as further verification that Dr. Wood is authentic and true
to his word. Unless we are listening to the best actor who ever
lived, I would say Dr. Wood's testimony is accurate to true events
and experiences.
David: We've had so many people, Bob, on the Internet who have flamed us. And they don't really take the time. They haven't watched the show. We got a year worth of episodes of me interviewing him [Corey Goode] for half an hour a week.
Bob: Wow!
David: And he never repeats himself. There's so much data.
Bob: Well, you're [looking at Corey] obviously a very intelligent guy.
David: But this was his life for 20 years.
Bob: Yeah, right.
David: And it was just boring everyday stuff he was doing, the things that he encountered, the information he learned. It was just as ordinary as a child growing up in American educational system, except it's very different information.
Corey: It becomes the new normal for you.
Cosmic Disclosure with David Wilcock and Corey Goode - On the Other Side of the Veil of Secrecy - with Special Guest, Dr. Bob Wood
Bob: Yeah.
David: And I think that's where we're heading. I think the things that he knows are going to become things that everyone knows. And you here as an independent, with your own background, you very much bolster Tompkins' testimony. You've seen the same people
Bob: Yeah.
David: And you're bolstering Corey's testimony.
Bob: Right.
David: So that helps people jump that gap of saying, “My God! Maybe this is true. Maybe these guys are actually not blowing smoke, but there's a big fire where that smoke is.”
There's something here that's going to change the world for the positive, and I believe that's what's happening.
And I want to thank you for being brave enough to step forward, and to put your name out there and put your reputation on the line talking about these very contentious subjects. I think you're a hero, and I'm very glad that you decided to be on our show today.
So I honor you, sir, for coming out and doing this with us. It's been truly remarkable.
Bob: Thank you. And it's been fun, too.
David: Thank you.
Bob: Thank you.
Corey: It's great meeting you.
David: All right.
Bob: Yeah, really, it's true.
David: And I want to thank you out there for watching. You're a very big part of this. Your support of this network and of this program is vital to the disclosure effort. So tell your friends. Let them know about this. If this is getting you excited, help spread the word.
This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, with special guest Dr. Bob Wood, and, of course, Corey Goode. And I want to thank you for watching.
[End of Transcript]
As mentioned in the last article, I
appreciate Dr. Bob Wood's contribution to the body of evidence that
we have been building since 2015. This ride of disclosures on Secret
Space Program operations has been one of these most eye-opening and
exciting experiences in a good while. I personally never imagined
that the truth behind UFOs and the ETs cover-up would be so
extensive and so well founded.
It's encouraging to see, I think, that
there are fewer people who blindly ridicule these testimonies any
longer. This is most likely due to the fact that it is difficult to
disprove ten people who all corroborate the same information. It may
have been doable to dispute one or two people saying the same thing.
However, at this point, the task seems to be more than most care to
undertake.
The road to Full Disclosure seems to be
accelerating at this point. The social climate of the world seems to
be escalating to a climax of epic proportions, especially in North
America. As the citizens wake up to the fact of obvious government
corruption, of corporate contempt for humanity and the planet, and
the overall insanity as the system as it stands, we come ever closer
to the liberation of our planet from such people.
As the masses wake up to the truth of
their former enslavement and the potential of their future
liberation, the pace of our ascension will be accelerated, and among
the changes we experience, we will receive our long-awaited
disclosure event.
I am looking forward, and I hope that
you are as well.
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