Friday, September 2, 2016

Cosmic Disclosure with David Wilcock and Corey Goode - On the Other Side of the Veil of Secrecy - with Special Guest, Dr. Bob Wood

This episode of Cosmic Disclosure left me with numerous ideas to consider, as it presented a fresh perspective on the classified world.  Within the discussion, Dr. Bob Wood presented a case which I felt linked the world of black ops with that of non-classified operations in a very comprehensive way.  If there was any downside to my effort to process this information, it was that I had too many ideas on direction to accomplish all of them in a week's time.

Dr. Wood's experiences present us with an informational connection which up until now, has been somewhat missing.  This is the connection between that which is somewhat familiar to us and that which has amazed us beyond comprehension.  It is not that the amazing material we have seen has not been exciting to learn about, but to have some level of grounding in the familiar helps us to realize and to visualize the testimonies we hear from within the world of classified operations.

On the Other Side of the Veil of Secrecy - with Dr. Bob Wood

David Wilcock: All right, welcome to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. And in this episode, I am here with Corey Goode, and I'm also here with Dr. Bob Wood.

And Dr. Bob Wood is going to be our focus. Part of the reason why is that he has been acquainted with William Tompkins since 2009 and knows a great deal about Tompkins' testimony. In fact, he's practically a walking encyclopedia of what Tompkins knows.

But, Bob, you also are coming into this with a lifetime of very bizarre, interesting experiences related to this whole topic of cosmic disclosure. So I just want to hand it over to you now.

And I know you said that you have some very critical autobiographical information you want to give us about yourself that will become very relevant as we go forward in your story in the timelines of what's happened to you.

Dr. Bob Wood: Yes. It started, actually, in 1949 at the University of Colorado when I graduated.

And after then, I got a job at Douglas Aircraft Company for the summer because my father was a professor, and he was always talking with the guys who were hiring engineers.

So he just . . .

David: Douglas is the same company that William Tompkins worked for.

Wood: Exactly. It was . . .

David: Right.

Wood: Douglas, at that time, had merged to McDonnell-Douglas in 1968.

David: Right.

Wood: So my first summer job was working on missiles that day. I worked for some of the same people that later turned out Bill Tompkins was working for.

David: That's wild.

Wood: It is wild. But actually . . .

David: Could you give us a couple of names?

Wood: Yeah. Dr. Klemperer was one of them. Wolfgang Klemperer.

David: Klemperer, right. He calls him 'Klemp' in the book sometimes.

Wood: That's right. Yeah. And the other one was Elmer Wheaton.

Elmer Wheaton later became a vice president of Douglas until he got hired by Lockheed.

So after one summer job, I went to start to get my PhD, and I got my . . . I had a break, and I took another summer job and worked for some of the same guys.

But it was interesting that at that time, I looked around to see if there were any vaults [secret think tanks] or secret things going on, and I was told there weren't any, and I didn't ever notice any.

But it turned out that towards the end of that summer, at that same time, if I had been paying attention, I could have seen Bill Tompkins walking down the aisle.

David: No kidding.


The level of compartmentalization at Douglas Air Company seems to have been effective in this case.  In an average work environment, we might expect to see coworkers meeting in a break area or participating in company meetings.  However, this does not at all seem to have been the case for a military contractor company such as Douglas.

Wood: Yeah.

David: Ha, ha, ha. Very interesting.

Wood: So from there I went on and got my PhD, and then I went to work for Douglas until they drafted me. I went to work for the Aberdeen Proving Ground for a couple of years and worked on ballistic . . . well, shell dynamics. It was a good experience.

With that behind me then, I was asked to select an area, and so I selected thermodynamics, because they were really starting to build – actually, it was the Air Force, the M-18 that Bill Tompkins worked on.

It was a Thor missile at the time, . . .
David: Right.

Wood: . . . and they worried about whether the back of this Thor missile would get hot, and so that was one of the challenges. Actually, I spent most of my time early on working on the Nike-Zeus missile.

And I actually hired Jerry Buss, of known fame now, who was a chemist, to decide how much Teflon we should put on the leading edges of the fins on this missile to keep it cool.

Well, anyway, my career went on, and I got involved in aerospace management. We managed the independent research and development program. And I got involved in the Space Station design later on.

And by 1993, I retired.

But in 1968, there was an unusual event that happened that caused me to become involved in UFOs.


This is the type of testimony which helps us to better ground our perspective in that which is somewhat familiar to us.  We may be well familiarized with the technology behind the International Space Station as well as the mechanics that cause a chemical rocket to fly, but with regard to the advanced technology we learn about, there is quite a bit to uncover with regard to understanding.

To hear that the ISS was actually complimented with advanced technology may present an interesting case when it comes to those who doubt the possibilities of advanced space flight.  Though the non-classified side of the space program has its share of advanced technology, there seems to be far more about these technological platforms that we have yet to consider, and as stated before, a grounded perspective such as this one can help bridge that gap quite nicely.

David: Okay.

Wood: It was pretty simple. My boss said, “Hey, I've got to give a briefing to the Air Force next week. And they want to know, 10 years from now, how we would go to orbit and back.”

And I said, “Well . . . “ - just for a joke – I said, “Well, Ray, why don't we tell them how many alleged UFOs would do it.” And he said, “That's a great idea. Why don't you work on that?”

So I read my first UFO book, and it was by Don Menzel. And he wrote the . . .

Corey Goode: In 1968?

Wood: 1968.

Corey: Wow!
Wood: I read my first UFO book. And I kind of concluded, “I don't care if this guy is a famous astronomer, he's obviously ignoring the data.” So I read more books, and the briefing went off okay.

But a year later, my boss was out of town, and his bosses had me give the usual report on how we were doing on contracts and that sort of thing. And at the end of this meeting, he said, “By the way, Dr. Wood, we don't often see you. Tell us what you're doing that's interesting.”

And I said, “Well, you're not going to believe this, but I've read 50 UFO books in the last year, and I have concluded that everything is certain. That is, we know that there's aliens coming here in spacecraft. The only thing that's not sure is whether we figure out how they work before or after our Lockheed competitor.”

And there was a moment of silence, and my boss said, “What do you think it would take to look into that?”

So for the next year and a half, actually, they gave us a half a million dollars. I hired Stan Friedman, who's now a well-known UFO guy, to read the literature and see whether or not there was something in the literature that would tell us how they work.

We had a laboratory. We did laboratory tests. We hired a detective to interview abductees and stuff like that, which, in those days, was kind of outside the norm.


It is monumental statements such as this that make me want to write so much more on this topic.  Dr. Wood seems to have a way of making statements that carry so much weight and significance, and yet he makes them as though these are normal occurrences (though no disrespect to him).  This can be a bit overwhelming, as the number of questions and thoughts that go through my mind tend to pile up faster than I have a chance to take note of them.  At the same time, these statements come so casually that it is easy to miss them.

This is actually one way that we can tell that Dr. Wood is the real deal.  From listening to the testimony of many whistleblowers and observing their mannerisms and tendencies, there is one which seems to be common among those who are genuine and authentic.  That is this same way of making mind-boggling and amazing statements as though they were nothing more than casual topics.  This casual speech shows that these otherworldly experiences that Dr. Wood had happened so often that they became just another part of a normal day for him.  I believe this point is raised later in the conversation.

David: So what were you thinking, Bob, when you're seeing, obviously, all this data? You're obviously a credible, credentialed PhD. You're looking into this data scientifically. You have a half million dollar budget in 1968 dollars.

And then you're looking at the public and how the media is presenting this as if it's a big farce, and it's a joke. And, “Oh, it's all swamp gas!” What did you feel about that at that time?

Wood: Well, that's when the swamp gas report first came out, is actually that era.

David: Right.

Wood: It turns out that I was focused on learning something, and so I joined organizations I thought were relevant – MUFON and CUFOS. And I would up meeting James McDonald.

And so whenever he came to town, I would go to his lectures, and I became pretty aware of the work that he did.

He was the one who said, “You ought to go visit the Condon Committee and tell them what you think.”
David: Wow!

Wood: So I did. I went to the Condon Committee.

Corey: Wow!

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Wood: And I said, “Well, . . “, I told Condon and his committee, I said, “Do you know we're doing a little study? And we did come up with one way that you could build a UFO that would potentially work. You could hover in the Earth's magnetic field.”

So I went through designs. And it turned out, it doesn't work, because it's not practical.

But at the end of this visit, I decided that I would write Professor Condon a memo, a note, which I had properly approved. And I had suggested to him that maybe he could divide his team up into two parts: part of the believers and the nonbelievers, the skeptics.

And he got this letter. I also, in this letter, decided that I would send a copy to everybody on his committee.

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Wood: Ha, ha, ha. Well, he was so upset that he called up James S. McDonald on the phone and tried to get me fired.

David: Really?

Wood: Yeah. And I had no knowledge of this until months later, when my vice presidential boss said that he had to deal with that.

And fundamentally, James McDonald didn't like some university professor telling him how to run his business. And I had performed all the required approval signatures before this letter went out.

David: Could you just . . . For the viewer . . . I'm sure we're going to get comments if I don't say this. Explain to people who James McDonald is?

Wood: James McDonald was one of the scientists and atmospheric physicists, actually, who really dug into the individual cases, especially those that involved radar lighting up – all the physical cases. And he put them together so effectively that he testified to Congress that there were clearly . . . that there were objects there.

David: Right.

Wood: So Jim McDonald and I became good friends and colleagues, and I was dismayed to find out that he'd committed suicide a couple years later. I could never imagine that happening.

But, actually, I did . . . it was . . .

David: Do you think it was suicide or not? I mean, a lot of times these guys commit “suicide”.

Wood: I have now concluded, with all the apparently classified work that the CIA has done on influencing people and psychotic drugs and stuff like that, anything's possible.

David: Yeah.

Wood: But the one thing that told me that McDonald was really interesting is . . . I knew him well enough that once I was going through Tucson on business, and I stopped off, and he was willing to meet me at the airport. So we had been looking at the evidence, and he said, “Bob, I think I figured . . . I finally out how it's working.”

And in hindsight, I have concluded what he had found . . . he had found one of the top secret documents that said that we had really recovered lots of craft.

David: Hm-mm.

Wood: And in those days, that would have been a huge revelation. But he didn't tell me that. He just said, “I finally found out what's really going on.” And that was the last I knew. And the next thing I knew, he was dead.

Corey: Yeah, that sounds suspicious.

David: Well, it's really fascinating just to have you here and to be getting a window into this history of Project Blue Book and the whole very obvious government cover-up that was put in place.

And for you to have been given the same budget money as the Condon Report, but yet your findings obviously were not put on the same level in the media as the whitewash.

Wood: Well, actually, the reason for that was McDonald was . . . He was really a pretty pressure guy. He said, “Dr. Wood, because of all the work you're doing, you ought to testify to Congress.”

David: Right.

Wood: So he set it up so I could be on a congressional committee. I got an invitation from them, actually. So I consulted my management, and I said, “Look,” I said, “You guys are treating me pretty well. I'm a Deputy Director and going on to a pretty good career, it seems like. And I've got this opportunity to testify before Congress.”

And one of the VPs, who was kind of my friend, he said, “Well,” he said, “I don't ever remember knowing anybody who had a lot of good from coming to testify to Congress.” Ha, ha, ha.

David: Ha, ha, ha.


Again, I find it amazing just how many experiences the Dr. Wood has had during his careerthe people he has met, the things he has seen.  With all of the experiences of his, it just seems as though there is so much more he has to say about each of these observations.  However, I would imagine that by this time, he may not know what would be interesting to hear by us in the audience, seeing that we have so little inside knowledge of this classified world.

One thought which comes to mind is just how quickly we could have had full disclosure if such drastic steps were not taken by the Military Industrial Complex to silence everyone who talked too much or learned more than they were intended to.  I still believe that our full knowledge is completely possible.  However, in past years, the efforts to bring this disclosure have been delayed by the unscrupulous restriction of the cabal to maintain secrecy.

Wood: So I thought about it a lot, and I decided, no, I wouldn't do it. And, furthermore, right about that same time, we lost the MOL program. And we just got an opportunity to bid on a ballistic missile program – defense program. And they didn't have any radar guys.

And furthermore, on this project, we knew how fast we were spending money on these four or five different aspects, but we didn't know how close we were getting to any answer.

So we all agreed, “Let's kill it.” So we stopped it in 1970.

Corey: 1970.

Wood: And I made a deal with Stan Friedman that he would never talk about this. And we were going to write it up to tell the government what we'd done, and it turned out that our management decided, “No, we'll pay for it right out of profits. We don't tell the government we're doing this subject.”

Then I became a radar expert for ballistic missile defense for the next 10 years. And that turned out to be interesting too because it gave me top secret clearance for stuff, and the CIA was a customer to study the Soviet ballistic missile defense program.

And my career went on until I got assigned to the Space Station. So for the next 10 years, I worked on the Space Station, which is a lot of fun, you know. It's up there now.

Corey: Yeah.

David: So you're talking about the International Space Station, the ISS?

Wood: Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

David: What was your role in the ISS's development?

Wood: My role there was to try to make the Space Station cheaper, better, sooner or safer by using advanced technology. It turns out that really, it was a low-tech thing, and we made it out of aluminum, for heaven's sakes, you know.

Corey: Hm-mm.

Wood: It's the cheapest. So the question was, could we take any of this high, sophisticated stuff that I'd been managing, and get some benefit out of it by putting it on the Space Station?

However, my career was sort of very conventional . . .
David: Right. Right.

Wood: . . . except for this one little tweak there where I was working on the UFO program.

David: Sure.

Wood: And then when I retired . . . However, in the process of knowing about some classified material, I was working with a guy in a vault who was interested in some psychic stuff. So he introduced me to Russell Targ and Harold “Hal” Puthoff over at Stanford.

David: Oh, yeah.

And so we took a visit up to Stanford, and I got exposed to remote viewing and . . .

Corey: At Stanford Research, when they were actually . . .

Wood: Yeah, right.

Corey: . . . doing that work?

Wood: Yeah, when they were doing that work.

Corey: Wow!

Wood: That was the '80s. And, in fact, my enthusiastic guy in the vault said, “Well, why don't we turn in a proposal to James McDonald and try to do a coordinate remote viewing job, experiment?” So we did.

In remote viewing, a target is selected, a person is selected, and at the right time, the person is asked to describe the target, which they've never seen.

David: What would the target be, for example?

Wood: It could be a ship sinking in the ocean.

David: Okay.

Corey: Or a new type of radar on a ship that we haven't got a good look at.

Wood: Yeah.

David: Okay.

Wood: However, in this particular case, one of the things that had never been done in that time was to just use the coordinates. And they would take the coordinates of latitude and longitude, and those are the coordinates that are on a piece of paper. And the remote viewer is asked to describe what those coordinates . . . what's at those coordinates.
David: So this is an intuitive, psychic thing they're doing.

Wood: Yeah. Right, right. So we did that. Actually, it turned out that James S. McDonald, without taking the proper advice of his lawyers, he gave us $25,000 to do that.

Then later on, they found out what he does. “Never do that again!”

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Wood: Well, that was just a minor portion of everything I did. What happened, however, was that I met Hal Puthoff, who exposed me to the fact that there were people who were thinking about things psychically. And I became active in the SSE – Society for Scientific Exploration – a group of university professors, typically, who were willing to think outside the box.

In any case, I retired in 1993, having had what I thought was a fun, successful, career, beginning with the missiles and ending with the Space Station, and having lots of fun on classified work in between.

David: Yeah.

Wood: I couldn't have had a better career. So then, in about 1995, my former long-time friend, Stan Friedman, who had been my first employee, called me up and said, “Hey, I've got a fax that looks like it's a classified document. I got it from a guy by the name of Don Berliner, who works in this area.

He said, “It's sort of a fax. It's called 'Extraterrestrial Entities and Technology, Recovery and Disposal'. Would you like to try to authenticate it?”

David: Wow!

Wood: And I said, “Why, sure. I'm not doing anything.” Ha, ha. So I went and I visited and got the high-quality copies of this document, which was a Special Operations Manual, 1-01, and replicated it in great detail and went and talked to a guy at the printing office and showed him the document.

And he read it. It was stamped “Top Secret”, which was a little bit awkward, but . . .

David: Right.

Corey: Yeah. Approach him, “Oh, by the way, I have a top-secret document in my hand.” That doesn't go over very well. I'm surprised he touched it.

Wood: He read it. And then he put it down, and he said, “You know,” he said, “based on the content, I'd say it's clearly . . . It's a hoax.”

Corey: Ah.

Wood: But . . .

David: Based on the “content”.
Wood: Yeah. Based on the . . . However, he said, “If I look at the details of the font that was used in that area, furthermore,” he said, “the tail of the F and the G are specifically relevant to that. In addition,” he said, “I found that there are three raised Zs in this document.”

And I said, “Well, what's that about?”

And he said, “Well, what happens is when you have a hot lead printing press, it turns out that a rarely used letter, like the z, gets some crud underneath it and doesn't properly seat. And so you can read a document, once in a while, you find that those Zs are slightly raised off of the base.”

And he said, “I found three Zs in this document that were raised. Therefore, I know that it was printed on a hot lead printing press, and it would have had to have been in that era of 1954.”

So he said, “This was clearly printed on one of our printing presses, either in the basement of the Pentagon or right in this building here.”

Corey: Yeah, because he would be familiar enough to know the typeset, where things were placed on the page, how the dates are arranged, everything.

Wood: Right. So anyway, my son, who had met Stanton Friedman when he was 15 years old, got interested in this stuff, and he and I became partners.

So we gave a speech at one of the UFO meetings in Connecticut. And at that meeting, they responded by saying, “Wow! This is the first time we've seen anything that seems to be analytically evaluated and has an authenticity aspect that is pretty good.”

So I declared that I was going to become an . . . authenticating documents, but in the meantime, another person came out of the woodwork that Stan Friedman had heard from, Timothy Cooper, who lived in Big Bear Lake.

David: Oh, yeah.

Wood: And nobody had ever gone to see Timothy Cooper. So Stan asked me if I'd go see him because I lived closer than he did in Canada.

I said, “Sure”.

So I went to see Timothy Cooper, and Timothy . . . he said he was delighted to have somebody actually pay attention to the fact that he had some leaked classified documents. And he went over the background with them and all that.

Well, that's kind of a long story, but, in effect, it put me in . . . well-known in the business of being a document authenticator. So I've been able to establish that kind of as my expertise area.

And along the way, I got asked by Joe Firmage to make a . . . well, actually, to authenticate his documents, and to . . .

David: Really?

Wood: Yeah.

David: So for those who don't know, Joe Firmage is this guy who had a very large amount of money who popped up for a while in the late 1990s and wanted to finance UFO investigations.

Wood: That's correct.

David: Right. So you actually worked for him?

Wood: Well, I don't want to say anything on this show that would be inappropriate, but I think that what actually happened is perfectly okay. What happened was that Joe Firmage had heard the word that I had some of these documents that I was trying to authenticate.

So he called me up out of the blue, and he said, “Hi. I'm Joe Firmage.” He said, “I've got a yacht in Newport Beach. You live in Newport Beach.” He said, “Could I . . . if I could authenticate those documents, would you be interested in lending them to me?”

And I said, “Well, let me think about that.” And I called up . . . And he said, “Well,” he said, “if you want to check me out, you can check Harold Puthoff. He knows me.” So I hung up with Joe and then called up Hal, and said, “Who is this guy?”

And he said, “Well, he's a good guy.”

David: Yeah.

Wood: And . . .

Corey: He's not going to steal the documents, right?

Wood: That's right.

Corey: That's what happens a lot.

Wood: So in the meantime, in this conversation, Joe had asked me, “Well, what do you think they're worth?”

And I said, “I don't know. They might be worth millions.”

So anyway, I went, had the meeting. My wife, in the meantime, had wondered why I'd been wasting all my time since I retired studying UFOs. So I went down to this meeting, and Joe looked the documents over.

He said, “This is exactly what I want, Dr. Wood. What I'd like to do is I'd like to borrow these, have them authenticated, and if they're authentic, I'll print 2,000 copies of them for you under your specifications, and you can have them all back.”

And so I said, “Well, Joe, is that . . . that's your proposition?”

He said, “Oh, no. I forgot something.” He opened up his briefcase and took out a check for $500,000 already made out to me.

David: Oh, my gosh.

Wood: So I got on the phone with my son, and we couldn't figure out any reason to not accept the offer.

Corey: Yeah, that's kind of a hard thing to turn down. Yeah, no strings attached.

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Wood: I ran home and showed my wife this check. She said, “How'd the meeting go?”

I said, “Well, here is the answer.”

And she said, “How do you know it's any good?”

So . . .
Corey: She didn't mind you looking at UFOs after that.

Wood: That's right. Exactly right, yeah.

David: Ha, ha.

Wood: So we checked it out. Turns out, it was in the same bank I banked with. And then Monday morning, I went. It was good. Called up Joe and said, “Joe, do you want to go ahead with this deal?”

And he said, “Yes.” He said, “I want you to do that. Cash the check.”

David: Wow!


Considering the situation of finding out that Harold Puthoff was actually trustworthy, was extremely fortunate for all parties involved.  There have been so many accounts of lost evidence, or lost documentation which would have easily authenticated the stories of those who make claims about E.T. life and secret programs.  Often times these claims go unsubstantiated, or the documents are unfortunately lost in some way.  However, in Dr. Wood's case, it seems that fortune was on the side of Wood and his people in disclosing this information to the public.

It is a rare thing to see formerly classified information come into the light of day without being hampered by the establishment.  Most information we might otherwise find interesting is so fractured and incomplete that the only elements which reach the public eye wind up being undefined half-truths and meaningless speculation. However, Dr. Wood is one of many who have substantially defined the UFO phenomenon as real, as scientifically possible, and as that which is currently taking place in the sky above our heads.

Wood: So that turned out to be very effective. Joe did everything he said he would do. He got it all printed, helped . . . assigned his company to help work with my son and me for that.

And then he liked the whole idea so much - of the secrecy, of the country, and so forth - that he wanted to do a television documentary called “The Secret”, where we took the essential ingredients of our authenticity procedures and tried to share them on this television documentary.

David: Just to be clear, this is not the movie, “The Secret” that says that you can ask the universe for as much money as you want, and the universe gives you the money?

Wood: It's a different movie. It's called . . .

Corey: And a different secret. Ha, ha.

David: Ha, ha.

Wood: The full title of the movie is “The Secret: Evidence We Are Not Alone.”

David: Okay. So how are you familiar with Corey Goode's work? Let's just divert a little bit into that. Have you heard about it online, or how did you find out about what he was saying?

Wood: Well, actually, I hadn't heard of Corey Goode until a year ago.

David: Okay.

Corey: Yeah.

Wood: And the reason for that was because I . . . and this relates, actually, to Bill Tompkins. I met Bill Tompkins in 2009. He said he'd been trying to write his autobiography for nearly a decade.

He'd tried with several various editors and writers, and they were never able to squeeze anything out that was like a book. And he was wondering whether I'd be willing to try it.

So we began to become acquainted, and I went through the process of actually taking the words that Bill started with and turning them into a book.
David: Hmm.

Wood: And that's not a trivial process. Ha, ha.

David: Sure!

Wood: But as the book, “Selected by Extraterrestrials”, got published, it turned out that Michael Salla, who is a well-known researcher and author, had just published a book about the Secret Space Program. And he said he wanted to interview Bill Tompkins, would I help him do that?

So I decided that I want to know something about Salla before I did that. Even though I'd known him some years before, I hadn't read his recent work. So I bought his book, “The Secret Space Program”.

And that's where your name, I think, first . . . I first saw . . .

Corey: It first popped up for you.

Wood: Yeah. So I read this book. I said, “Wow! There's more to this than I thought.” I never imagined there might have been a Secret Space Program.

And then as I started to think about what Bill had been showing me, namely images that he had drawn in 1954 of one kilometer long spacecraft that it might have been the beginnings of a Navy program that could have become something like Solar Warden, which is presumably one of potentially several space programs that may indeed be in existence.

So it's just in the last year that my mind has suddenly been able to grasp the idea that we might really have had these Secret Space Programs.

If fact, if there's any one thing I've learned now that I didn't know five years ago, it's the incredible level of secrecy in this government for this and other subjects.

It's absolutely incredible that people would . . . I mean, if you tried to tell somebody that the Nazis had a space base on the far side of the Moon in '45, they'll look at you as if you're from some other world.


It can be expected that to those uninitiated to the idea of Secret Space Program operations, such unusual ideas may not be the most attractive.  There will, without a doubt, be a fairly steep learning curve when it comes to educating the people on the subject of off-world operations, but I think it is important to have vision for when these subjects become normal topics of conversation.

Image for a moment a time when there is no learning curvewhen you could walk up to anyone on the street and strike up a conversation about the operations on the planetoid Ceres or on the back side of the moon.  Image the secrecy ending and that these formerly secret operations begin to move to the near side of the moon.  I don't think there could be a clearer sign of global change than a night sky full of traffic visibly traversing the distance from the Earth to the moon and back Star-Trek style.

I image that this level of candidness would garner an entirely new way of living on planet Earth.  Plus it would give people a reason to spend their nights in the yard watch the light show take place in the sky above.

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Wood: So I have tried this technique. If I can convince you that the Nazis had a space base on the Moon in 1945, would you believe everything else I'm going to tell you? Ha, ha, ha.

David: Ha, ha, ha. So Corey, Bob walked in today with a piece of paper printed out, high resolution, of a diagram that Tompkins made of one of these craft that he was working on.

Corey: One of the cigar-shaped ones.

David: Cigar-shaped, modular. Lots of little blocks that all are built to be able to fit together and build one of these. What was your feeling when you saw that?

Corey: Well, actually, I had . . . before I had seen it, I had worked with an artist to depict one of these craft, and they were very similar.

Wood: Really?

Corey: Very similar. And they were, indeed, very modular. Everything was . . . The whole middle of the craft was . . . The walls could come in real close or it could be pushed way back, and they could build modular rooms to do research in them.

So a lot of what he designed came about.

Wood: Well, one of the things that excites me is the fact that the things that he . . . everything he says he did, what I've been able to confirm, it was exactly correct. All the people that he said he knew, I knew those same people.

Corey: And his documentation is just unbelievable.

Wood: Right.

Corey: It's crazy. I wouldn't say 'unbelievable', I mean, it's completely believable. I mean, it's . . . and you verified it.

Wood: But the fact that he was, for example, working in this think tank – that's what he called it, a think tank, instead of a 'vault' – and in this think tank with Lemperer and Wheaton, every so often, they would get a phone call from the Navy.

Well, one of the people who he said occasionally called him was Bobby Ray Inman.

David: Wow!

Wood: And I checked to find out how old he would have been, and he would have been just starting up in his career, maybe as a lieutenant or something like that. And he was the guy who was telling Tompkins' group what to do next.

So you put that together with the fact that this kilometer-long craft kind of resembles what the Navy might have build later, would seem to be consistent with the Navy having been involved in that process.

The wide variety of things that Tompkins worked on at TRW is pretty exciting to me. And he said that they had a green light to look on anything that was interesting in the whole world.

You know, how were the pyramids really built? How do you keep somebody living forever or as long as the pharaohs used to live? How do you do that?

And there was nothing that was off limits. How do UFOs work?

And, of course, one of the things that most people are surprised at is that Bill's . . . his direct testimony, the fact that the RAND Corporation was specifically formed by Douglas in order to study the alien problem.


This is the subject of RAND and Douglas Air Company that may be an entire article in the making, and I wish that I had the energy to work on it at this point.  However, for now, it's going on the To-Do list, and being saved for later.  This topic could make for an extremely interesting article at some point.

David: Oh, wow!

Corey: Yeah, that's pretty big.

Wood: Yeah. But . . . well, my comments on RAND would be that I think they have modified a great deal from their original purpose. I think when they started, they hired two groups. They decided to have a group of people who were given the real data that the Navy had presumably recovered from the 19-- . . . the Battle of LA crash.

And then they had another group of people who were skeptical scientists, who would be willing to ask the question of what would it take to have intelligent life? Is it . . . How would you do that?

And it turned out that my uncle, that is from my first wife, was an employee of RAND in the second category. And he and I had many firsthand conversations, and he was the classic skeptical physicist. He tried to prove to me that you can't travel faster than the speed of light. Nothing will happen.

But now, Bill Tompkins is saying that there was another part of RAND that was studying the real data. And he didn't know anything more about what RAND was doing though. All he knew is what he was doing in the vault. And what he was doing in the vault was based on what he was being told.

I don't think he ever claims to have seen any recovered parts.

David: I'm curious about the timing of Tompkins coming forward. I mean, yes, you say he was working on his book for 10 years. But we have Corey, who was given briefings, saying that multiple insiders were going to come forward who would be able to corroborate what he said.

And I'm really curious about your thoughts on . . . I mean, you say that there was no direct involvement in the writing of Tompkins' book with intelligence services or anything like that. But as far as you know, you're authorized to say whatever you want to say? You're cleared to come forward like this?
Wood: Me? Yeah. Yeah, I'm cleared to say anything I want to say.

David: Okay.

Wood: And the only risk I worry about is I don't want to say anything that would cause a libel suit or anything like that.

David: Sure.

Wood: But other than that, we're perfectly . . .

Corey: And I'm sure there's other classified things you worked on that are . . . don't pertain to this that you can't talk about.

Wood: Well, actually, the only classified thing that I worked on was really not very exciting. You know, since we were experts in ballistic missile defense, this group I managed was experts in the Soviet ballistic missile defense, and that's what I studied, is how did the Soviets defend against our missiles.

Well, it's no big deal. You'd expect there to be . . . them to have a program like that. I mean, it would be classified with the details of how they did it and the fact that actually, some of their ideas were better than ours. That would be classified. Ha, ha, ha.

David: Well, we also had a conversation, and I might be throwing you in a little bit by saying this, but . . . where Tompkins told me that he's still on the inside.

Wood: I'm a little mystified about why Bill won't tell me 100% of everything. He does show that he is still . . . appears to be invited to the annual West Conference that the Navy has, with the clearances that get him into rooms he shouldn't be into.

And, in fact, that happened just this year. Someone has determined that even at his age, he's perfectly willing to be told about things that nobody knows about. He went through . . . into one room where he saw information on Solar Warden.


This is another subject that seems extremely interesting to me.  However, I consider the fact that there are some who are still on the inside, and yet still divulge certain details about secret operations.  I find it difficult to imagine how people such as Dr. Pete Peterson and William Tompkins who are well-known whistleblowers are still invited to private meetings on presently classified information.

It is understandable that certain aspects of information are intentionally controlled by the Military-Industrial Complex.  Also, the present level of secrecy may only be present because some of those behind the secrecy don't believe the population can handle the truth, but at the same time, these people may be clearing certain facts to be disclosed.  It may be that they know they can trust Dr. Peterson and Tompkins to only disclose at a certain pace.  (However, this is not to say that these men are necessarily "controlled" in any way.)

It is clear that the walls of secrecy are coming down, and we know that there are those within the SSP who want to see events progress in a positive direction.  This being the case, it is understandable that they are still somewhat cautious, though at this point I personally think the full data dump is in order.

David: Really?

Wood: Yeah.

David: At one of these classified meetings?

Wood: The last one.

David: Really?

Wood: Yeah.

David: Wow!

Wood: There was nobody there but contractors. So . . .

David: Are you aware that Corey worked in Solar Warden?

Wood: Well, yeah. I assumed that.

Corey: Right.

Wood: Yeah.

Corey: That was the '80s project.

Wood: But did you, Corey, go to deal with contractors in the program?

Corey: No. There were civilians. There were civilian . . . what they called 'eggheads', scientists and engineers and that type of thing.

Wood: Yeah.

Corey: But there was never discussion of who they worked for corporation-wise, if they did work for a corporation, or if they were just recruited.
Wood: I see.

Corey: So I don't know if any of those people worked at any of these defense . . .

Wood: But the assignment you had would not have given you, normally, much information about the management structure.

Corey: Right. Right. You really didn't learn a whole lot about anything a tier ahead – above you. And you would learn a little bit about some of the people you were working with, but information didn't flow real freely when it . . . on command structure.

Wood: Yeah.

David: If Tompkins is still having these meetings, and he still has his clearance, and you seem to believe that's true . . .

Wood: Yeah, I don't think he's being told anything very specific on a regular basis. He claims that he was told by Webster to tell it all. I think that's on the back cover of the book.

David: Ah. And who's Webster, now?

Wood: He's an admiral that he knew personally, I think, when he lived in Oregon, perhaps.

David: Okay.

Wood: A retired admiral.

David: Okay.

Wood: And he said, “Tell it all!” And so that's why Bill feels comfortable in telling it all.
David: I want to ask you just a really brief opinion question, and that is what was it like for you to encounter Corey's testimony and see so many astonishing crossovers to what you had been gathering from Tompkins in the preceding seven years? What was that like for you?

Wood: I've concluded that your involvement could conceivably have been the ultimate result of what Tompkins might have started. But my feeling is that Tompkins didn't have any way of following that in detail.

I really don't think that he . . . and I talked to him today, actually. I didn't ask him this question. But I don't think that he had any knowledge of a Navy space program while it was being developed at all.

David: All right. Well, this is all the time we have for in this episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”. I hope you've enjoyed it. This is a really valuable window into the history of UFOlogy.

And here we have somebody who was right on the front lines of this fight for Full Disclosure, which I do believe we are going to get, and this show is part of that process.

I'm David Wilcock, here with Dr. Bob Wood and Corey Goode, and I thank you for watching.

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As stated before, this episode was so full of poignant information that one could spend days digesting it all.  However, the detail is yet to be uncovered.  I originally intended to launch an in-depth research project into these specific matters, but that may have been more than I can handle in one week's time.  Until I am able to do this, I look forward to learning more on these subjects and getting to the bottom of all of the interesting subject matters which Dr. Wood discussed.

Until we receive Full Disclosure, we have every opportunity to advance ourselves and our peers to progress along the learning curve and to collectively prepare the planet for our inevitable disclosure event.

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