This episode of Cosmic Disclosure was particularly informative on the subject of the interactions we have online. We are fortunate that many of the experiences we have are for the most part, pleasant, but once in a while we find an exception. We may encounter rude, angry, and/or manipulative people whose disrespect of others leaves us confused (among other sentiments). We may be left wondering, "Why would such negative people choose to be a part of positively-focused online communities, as specially those which are built around love, respect, and cooperation?" The answer might be that they have some other intention behind their presence.They may have incentive for causing frustration and discord among others. They may find it gratifying to insult and belittle the opinions and viewpoints of other people for the sake of their own ego, and in some cases, they may even do such things for a living.
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According to Corey Goode (as well as numerous reports from Edward Snowden), there are offices of government that exist solely for the purpose of infiltrating and subverting online communities. These practices are unconstitutional, deceptive, and are completely contrary to free speech in a supposedly "free country". Even still, for now, we have these trouble-makers to deal with, and until we succeed at our push for Full Disclosure, this obstacle will remain. However, there can be much to learn from the experience of such obstacles. To find out how, read on.
Government Troll Data Center - Show Transcript
David Wilcock: Hello, I'm David Wilcock, and welcome to another episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm here with Corey Goode, and in this episode we're going to get into government trolls, our friends we love to hate online who always are so willing to share their very, very negative and depraved opinions. But are they really just ordinary folks, or is there something more going on? So Corey, welcome to the program.
Corey Goode: Thank you.
David: I want to open this up by talking about a very, very bizarre television show that is now available. Anybody can watch it if they have a basic Netflix subscription. It's called “Ascension”. 
So is that aspect of what they say in the television show “Ascension”, is that real? Will they hang out information to see if a whistleblower shows up, and try to make them think that it's a trustworthy place to disclose data, only to find out that the trap is going to snap on them? 
Note:
For those unfamiliar with the series, here is a short explanation from Wikipedia on the show Ascension.
Ascension is inspired by the real-life Project
Orion that existed under the administration of President John
F. Kennedy. The show sets up an alternate version of reality
beginning in 1963, when 600 volunteers are led to believe that
President Kennedy and the U.S. government, fearing the Cold
War will escalate and lead to the destruction of Earth, are
launching a covert space mission. The volunteers, including men,
women and children, are placed inside a structure called the USS
Ascension, designed to resemble (from the inside) a massive,
self-sustaining generation
ship, on what is notionally a century-long voyage. Their notional
mission is to colonize a planet orbiting Proxima
Centauri, assuring the survival of the human race. At 51 years
into their notional 100-year journey (i.e. in the present)
and as they notionally approach the point
of no return, the mysterious murder of a young woman – the
first homicide since the start of the experiment – causes the
ship's crew to question the true nature of their mission.
This premise from the Ascension
series reminds me of the Tony Scott movie, Enemy of the State, with
Will Smith. This was also a production which partially disclosed the
fact that the state targets those who threaten their power and control over the people.
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Corey: Yes. They use websites. They use people posting in forums, and they use established researchers who have been compromised by informants of their own. They've got the infiltration of this field down to a fine art, and they've had the infiltration of ufology in the esoteric community down from the beginning, since the early '50s.
David: How much of the information that people who are studying up on UFOs and reading online may be part of this type of program? Is this a fairly isolated phenomenon, or is it a fairly widespread phenomenon? How prevalent is disinformation in the UFO community?
Corey: It's incredible. It's heavily controlled, heavily manipulated information.
David: So what are we really looking at here? Does this mean that the average person, who feels like they've done a lot of homework and has really studied up and learned what there is to know about UFOs, are they polluted with an incredible amount of disinformation?
Corey: Oh, yes. I mean, I've talked to people who have angrily said, “I've done this for 40 years, 45 years, you know, 10, 15 years I've been studying this. I've been in the middle of it.” Their egos can't let them for a moment to believe that they have been tricked by information by these infiltrators.
Note:
One fact which some may not understand is that with regard to deception, time and personal experience are no guarantee. Those who have deceived humanity on such a broad scale in modern times have had plenty of practice either in their own individual experiences, or from actual training in infiltration, antagonization, and subversion. The tactics they use are tried and true methods which have been used to successfully manipulated humanity for centuries.
If sociopathy is a factor, this adds more complexity to the situation. This may mean that an
individual actually gets a sense of pleasure out of the deception
they perpetuate.
David: Let's talk about the abduction issue for a moment. It's a very strange counterpoint between, for example, Dr. John Mack, who was a PhD psychiatrist from Harvard University – or it might have been MIT. I'm trying to remember. It's one of those two - the big Ivy Leagues in Massachusetts. Anyway, I think it's Harvard. Dr. John Mack, straight ahead mainstream psychiatrist with all kinds of published papers behind him, is interviewing people in a therapeutic context using hypnotherapy.
People get hypnotized, and they start to report extraterrestrial contact. And he writes a big, thick book just like mine – 500 page monster. You read John Mack's “Abduction”, and there's innumerable reports of people have been benevolent contact, spiritual experiences, mind-expanding experiences, prophecies of some sort of very positive change for humanity. And he said this seems to be a very consistent element of the contact experience.
Then, he allegedly slips on the ice and falls and hits his head, and he dies, right as UFOs are really starting to take off. But then you have almost every other alien abduction researcher completely divergent from what John Mack was saying – that abduction is this terrifying thing. It's only negative. They're bringing you up, they're taking genetic samples, they're terrorizing you, then they mind wipe you and send you back down.
So let's talk for a moment about the abduction narrative. Are these certain folks that are putting out very consistently negative information about abduction possibly on some sort of government payroll?
Corey: Not necessarily on a payroll, but are buying into a certain narrative that has been meticulously seeded with very believable information, and information that they know that a certain person is predisposed to want to accept.
Note:
For those who would like some history on this subject, here are a few facts from Wikipedia on Dr. John Mack.
“John Edward Mack M.D. (October 4, 1929 – September 27,
2004) was an American psychiatrist,
writer, and professor at Harvard
Medical School. He was a Pulitzer
Prize-winning biographer, and a leading authority on the
spiritual or transformational effects of alien
abduction experiences...
Mack had a world
view inspired by elements of spiritual and philosophical traditions
which hold that people are all connected to one another[citation
needed]; this theme of "connection" was taken to a
controversial extreme in the early 1990s when Mack commenced his
decade-plus study of 200 men and women who reported recurrent alien
encounter experiences. Such encounters had seen some limited
attention from academic
figures (R.
Leo Sprinkle perhaps being the earliest, in the 1960s). Mack,
however, remains probably the most esteemed academic to have studied
the subject.
He initially
suspected that such persons were suffering from mental
illness, but when no obvious pathologies were present in the
persons he interviewed, his interest was piqued. Following
encouragement from longtime friend Thomas
Kuhn, who predicted that the subject might be controversial, but
urged Mack to collect data and ignore prevailing materialist, dualist
and "either/or" analysis, Mack began concerted study and
interviews. Many of those he interviewed reported that their
encounters had affected the way they regarded the world, including
producing a heightened sense of spirituality
and environmental concern.”
Below is an excerpt from an interview with Dr. Mack from PBS.org.
NOVA: Let's talk about your own personal evolution from perhaps
skepticism to belief ...
MACK: When I first encountered this phenomenon, or particularly even before I had actually seen the people themselves, I had very little place in my mind to take this seriously. I, like most of us, were raised to believe that if we were going to discover other intelligence, we'd do it through radio waves or through signals or something of that kind.
MACK: When I first encountered this phenomenon, or particularly even before I had actually seen the people themselves, I had very little place in my mind to take this seriously. I, like most of us, were raised to believe that if we were going to discover other intelligence, we'd do it through radio waves or through signals or something of that kind.
The idea that we
could be reached by some other kind of being, creature, intelligence
that could actually enter our world and have physical effects as well
as emotional effects, was simply not part of the world view that I
had been raised in. So that I came very reluctantly to the conclusion
that this was a true mystery. In other words, that I—I did
everything I could to rule out other sources, or sexual abuse. Some
of these people are abused. But they're able to tell, distinguish
clearly the abduction trauma from other forms of abuse. Some forms of
psychosis or people making up stories—I could reject that on the
basis that there was no gain in this for the vast majority of these
people.
.... I've now worked with over a hundred experiencers intensively. Which involves an initial two-hour or so screening interview before I do anything else. And in case after case after case, I've been impressed with the consistency of the story, the sincerity with which people tell their stories, the power of feelings connected with this, the self-doubt—all the appropriate responses that these people have to their experiences.
NOVA: So tell us, please, how literally you intend people to take this? Are you suggesting people are really being snatched from their beds by aliens and experiments on board a spaceship?
MACK: Just how literally to take this, is one of the most interesting and complex aspects of this. And I want to walk through that as clearly as I can. There are aspects of this which I believe we are justified in taking quite literally. That is, UFOs are in fact observed, filmed on camera at the same time that people are having their abduction experiences.
People, in fact, have been observed to be missing at the time that they are reporting their abduction experiences. They return from their experiences with cuts, ulcers on their bodies, triangular lesions, which follow the distribution of the experiences that they recover, of what was done to them in the craft by the surgical-like activity of these beings.
All of that has a literal physical aspect and is experienced and reported with appropriate feeling, by the abductees, with or without hypnosis or a relaxation exercise.
....There is a—I believe, a gradation of experiences and that go from the most literal physical kinds of hurts, wounds, person removed, spacecraft that can be photographed, to experiences which are more psychological, spiritual, involve the extension of consciousness. The difficulty for our society and for our mentality is, we have a kind of either/or mentality. It's either, literally physical; or it's in the spiritual other realm, the unseen realm. What we seem to have no place for—or we have lost the place for—are phenomena that can begin in the unseen realm, and cross over and manifest and show up in our literal physical world.
So the simple answer would be: Yes, it's both. It's both literally, physically happening to a degree; and it's also some kind of psychological, spiritual experience occurring and originating perhaps in another dimension. And so the phenomenon stretches us, or it asks us to stretch to open to realities that are not simply the literal physical world, but to extend to the possibility that there are other unseen realities from which our consciousness, our, if you will, learning processes over the past several hundred years have closed us off.
.... I've now worked with over a hundred experiencers intensively. Which involves an initial two-hour or so screening interview before I do anything else. And in case after case after case, I've been impressed with the consistency of the story, the sincerity with which people tell their stories, the power of feelings connected with this, the self-doubt—all the appropriate responses that these people have to their experiences.
NOVA: So tell us, please, how literally you intend people to take this? Are you suggesting people are really being snatched from their beds by aliens and experiments on board a spaceship?
MACK: Just how literally to take this, is one of the most interesting and complex aspects of this. And I want to walk through that as clearly as I can. There are aspects of this which I believe we are justified in taking quite literally. That is, UFOs are in fact observed, filmed on camera at the same time that people are having their abduction experiences.
People, in fact, have been observed to be missing at the time that they are reporting their abduction experiences. They return from their experiences with cuts, ulcers on their bodies, triangular lesions, which follow the distribution of the experiences that they recover, of what was done to them in the craft by the surgical-like activity of these beings.
All of that has a literal physical aspect and is experienced and reported with appropriate feeling, by the abductees, with or without hypnosis or a relaxation exercise.
....There is a—I believe, a gradation of experiences and that go from the most literal physical kinds of hurts, wounds, person removed, spacecraft that can be photographed, to experiences which are more psychological, spiritual, involve the extension of consciousness. The difficulty for our society and for our mentality is, we have a kind of either/or mentality. It's either, literally physical; or it's in the spiritual other realm, the unseen realm. What we seem to have no place for—or we have lost the place for—are phenomena that can begin in the unseen realm, and cross over and manifest and show up in our literal physical world.
So the simple answer would be: Yes, it's both. It's both literally, physically happening to a degree; and it's also some kind of psychological, spiritual experience occurring and originating perhaps in another dimension. And so the phenomenon stretches us, or it asks us to stretch to open to realities that are not simply the literal physical world, but to extend to the possibility that there are other unseen realities from which our consciousness, our, if you will, learning processes over the past several hundred years have closed us off.
Psychiatrist Dr John E. Mack Beyond Linear Thought Professor at Harvard - 2002 Presentation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spNAQ7n2C94
This is, of course, a personal interest
of mine, as it has affected my life in a most unpreferable way. Upon
first hearing this subject in this particular context, I thought it
unfortunate that I don't have as many positive interactions to talk
about as I do the more negative and sometimes fearful ones. I was
also concerned that some reader would take this point to the extreme
so as to say that anyone who shares negative abduction experiences
must be a troll, but hopefully, my readers have been paying attention for long
enough to know what I'm about.
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This insight from David and Corey on
the negative E.T. experience makes me understand more of where people
such as Dr. Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project are coming from.
It may be that they already know that there are negative beings out
there, but they choose to concentrate on the positive experiences
because so few people in recent time are doing the same.
David: Is it possible that there are people who are actually being paid to write books and pose as normal researchers?
Corey: Oh, yeah. That's definitely true.
David: Okay. I'm not going to name names, but I'm thinking of one very strongly right now.
Corey: Yeah, the most important tool to have is a psychological profile on a person. If you have a psychological profile on a person, you're able to then find ways to get into their life and manipulate them, manipulate their belief systems. You know what they're looking for, what their field of study, their interests are, and then you can put in people that have that information with the caveats that you've put on it, disinformation caveats, and then they jump on – or if they bite that information, then you are in with them and then they are now, I guess, parroting that information for you if you're a disinfo agent.
David: Well, let's talk about that psychological profile. You obviously know what you're talking about, but we don't. So let's just say you have someone on the Internet who has been targeted. What do you actually see, and what are they doing? What are they looking for?
Corey: Well, they have different types. They're going to break down your personality type.
David: What does that mean?
Corey: There are 16 main personality types. If you go and you take the test and you find out what you are, they have pages of pages that will describe your personality. Science has developed this personality typing over a long period of time.
David: I remember in college, I majored in psychology, there was something called the MMPI or the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. It was a very, very complex, multiple choice test that did crank out something like you're describing at the end.
Corey: Right. This is very similar.
David: Yeah, okay.
Corey: They've had a lot of these that have evolved over time.
David: Okay.
Corey: So they want to find out your personality type. and most people think that everybody thinks the same way that you, that they, do, but we all approach things, think through things, differently. They want to get into your head and figure out how you think. Then, they're going to . . .
David: Is neuro linguistic programming part of this?
Corey: Yeah.
Note:
Here is a short excerpt from the Wikipedia definition of "neuro linguistic programming".
"NLP can be understood in terms of three broad components and the central concepts pertaining to those:
- Subjectivity. According to Bandler and Grinder:
- We experience the world subjectively thus we create subjective representations of our experience. These subjective representations of experience are constituted in terms of five senses and language. That is to say our subjective conscious experience is in terms of the traditional senses of vision, audition, tactition, olfaction and gustation such that when we—for example—rehearse an activity "in our heads", recall an event or anticipate the future we will "see" images, "hear" sounds, "taste" flavours, "feel" tactile sensations, "smell" odours and think in some (natural) language. Furthermore it is claimed that these subjective representations of experience have a discernible structure, a pattern. It is in this sense that NLP is sometimes defined as the study of the structure of subjective experience.
- Behavior can be described and understood in terms of these sense-based subjective representations. Behavior is broadly conceived to include verbal and non-verbal communication, incompetent, maladaptive or "pathological" behavior as well as effective or skillful behavior.
- Behavior (in self and others) can be modified by manipulating these sense-based subjective representations.
- Consciousness. NLP is predicated on the notion that consciousness is bifurcated into a conscious component and a unconscious component. Those subjective representations that occur outside of an individual's awareness comprise what is referred to as the "unconscious mind".
- Learning. NLP utilizes an imitative method of learning—termed modeling—that is claimed to be able to codify and reproduce an exemplar's expertise in any domain of activity. An important part of the codification process is a description of the sequence of the sensory/linguistic representations of the subjective experience of the exemplar during execution of the expertise."
David: Okay. Then how does that factor in? Because I've heard that some people are more visual, some people are more auditory, some people are more . . . and you'll see people the way they look, like they'll move their hands, and where they look when they're talking about something has to do with what part of the brain they're accessing, that kind of thing.
Corey: Right. And they're going to need to know that type of information to know how best to target you. And then they're going to get as much information about the type of friends you keep, the type of content you watch on television, the type of information you follow on the Internet, the type of comments you make on social media – any and all information - they take, they put it together, and they have these different array of different types of psychiatrists that then pour over it and come out with a final psychological profile that says . . . It's a profile that an operative can look at and use to say: “This person will most likely behave this way in this scenario. Or if I want this person to behave this way, this scenario will most likely elicit this response.”
David: Well, I got pulled into jury duty a few times, and these attorneys end up asking everybody certain questions. And when they're trying to select a jury, obviously they want to pick jurors that they think are going to be more likely to win.
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Corey: They're profiling you.
David: Yeah. So what is this . . . Is there a document? And is it like a stapled series of 8½ by 11 pages that you can flip through? How many . . .
Corey: Well, if you print it out.
David: Okay. So it's a written document.
Corey: Right. It's a typed document. It depends on what type of information they've been able to . . . If they've gotten into your medical records, they'll have medications that you're on. Sometimes if they want to get in and switch out your medications, that's handy to have. They want to know absolutely everything about you. So there will be medical information that's supposed to be HIPAA safe – everything that you can think of.
David: Well, one of the things we've heard over the years - I've been in this field a long time – when people are actually contacted by agents, which used to happen a lot more than it does now, and they actually do want to intimidate you, they will say things to you where you're like, “Wait a minute. I didn't tell anybody that. How the hell did you know that?”
Corey: Right.
David: So that gives them a lot of power. So they'll use all kinds of surveillance, and they want to have all these invasive personal details. So is it like an analysis of vulnerability? Is there a tactical breakdown of where somebody's vulnerabilities are? If you hit this button, you'll get them to break. If you hit this button, you can take away their money. If you hit this button, their relationship is going to fall apart. If you hit this button, their family's going to turn on them. If you hit this button, then this is where they go shopping and you could target their car while they're in the shopping mall?
Corey: Pretty much.
David: Wow! What's the tone in these documents? Is it sarcastic and mocking, or is it just very clinical and scientific?
Corey: It's clinical, scientific, matter-of-fact.
David: So it doesn't have a lot of nasty talking-down language or anything?
Corey: No.
David: Okay. So let's get into the core of what I wanted to speak about in this episode, which is people online are in discussion forums and we've been watching this happen for a long time. I first started to go online with a 14.4 kilobytes-per-second modem dial up, which I didn't even realize went that high. I only did it at 4.4, 4,400. “Oh, my gosh, it goes up to 14.4.”
Corey: I remember.
David: And one of the first things I did is I went to Richard C. Hoagland's discussion forum on EnterpriseMission.com. And I'm saying, here's this guy coming out with this incredible stuff, that there's a monument on Mars.
It looks like a face, obviously artificial, with pyramids right nearby and a five-sided pyramid down at the bottom. NASA's got it on these photographs. There's all these geometric alignments that lead to a new physics of a tetrahedron inside a sphere. And this is where the Great Red Spot is on Jupiter, and this is where Hawaii is on Earth, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Wow!
And then I start reading this stuff, and why would these people be so angry and so aggressive? And over the years I started to notice, when you really get these nasty skeptics, they will never acknowledge that you made a point. They never change their mind. Their opinions never flex even slightly, and they just will constantly be on the attack.
And any rational, normal person, if you win a point, they will acknowledge and concede, “Yeah, yeah, that's true. Maybe I ought to be looking at this differently.” But these folks are like little fundamentalists, and all they do is they just caw and caw, like a raven, and they never get past their own opinion.
Corey: Yeah.
Note:
A few years ago, I began to notice a pattern of behavior among those whose online conduct seemed abrasive. These people would seem excessively angry about mostly benign subject matters, and even though no one else was actually angry for the same reason, these people continued their overtly negative demeanor.
It wasn't until I studied the concept
of psychological manipulation that I began to understand why these
people were acting so angry, even though they had no apparent reason
to be. There can be two different tactics of manipulation (which are
commonly used in propaganda) which these unreasonably negative people
may use. These are brandishing anger and one trial
learning. These have specific uses among manipulative
people—trolls included. Here are two Wikipedia definitions on these
terms.
“Brandishing anger:
Manipulator uses anger to brandish sufficient emotional intensity and
rage
to shock the victim into submission. The manipulator is not actually
angry, he or she just puts on an act. He just wants what he wants and
gets "angry" when denied. Controlled anger is often used as
a manipulation tactic to avoid confrontation, avoid telling the truth
or to further hide intent. There are often threats used by the
manipulator of going to police, or falsely reporting abuses that the
manipulator intentionally contrived to scare or intimidate the victim
into submission. Blackmail and other threats of exposure are other
forms of controlled anger and manipulation, especially when the
victim refuses initial requests or suggestions by the manipulator.
Anger is also used as a defense so the manipulator can avoid telling
truths at inconvenient times or circumstances. Anger is often used as
a tool or defense to ward off inquiries or suspicion. The victim
becomes more focused on the anger instead of the manipulation
tactic.”
Traumatic one-trial learning: using verbal abuse, explosive
anger, or other intimidating behavior to establish dominance or
superiority; even one incident of such behavior can condition
or train victims to avoid upsetting, confronting or contradicting the
manipulator.
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I have witnessed numerous personalities from various sources use these exact same tactics in order to present their point of view as superior to all those who may contradict them. After seeing these forceful, manipulative tactics in multitude, they have become a red flag for me in my search for accurate truth. To quote a previous article, “Flat-Earth and AstroTurf”,
“The subjects of focus within the truth movement are numerous and
broad-spectrum. Consequently, differences of opinion are common.
These differences are not typically a problem. However, any
difference can become a problem if those who hold a particular
opinion choose to ignore the importance of the free will of others,
and choose instead to force their own beliefs upon them. Many
extremist religions and belief systems use this forceful, absolutist
position to spread their message. Though these religions and groups
may have a remnant of truth hidden within their messages, that truth
is rendered powerless because the forcefulness of these groups
disallows any true, natural development within any individual.
Instead, these groups force their would-be followers down a
prefabricated set of ideas for the ultimate goal of unified thought
control among large populations...
I am of the
opinion that if any person or group is unable to respect and heed to
such a foundational and elementary concept as free will, they are not
to be trusted with much else.”
If I agree to follow the positive path,
the Law of Free Will will be a major priority in my conduct. This standard can be applied to many situations.
Manipulation is commonly used to violate this universal law, and is a key determining factor in one's choice between the
positive and negative paths. If an individual repeatedly uses
tactics of brandishing anger, one-trial learning, or any other tactic of
psychological manipulation, it's possible that their choice of path
may be too negative for me to give much attention.
David: When people see folks like this online, are you saying that these people actually are being paid?
Corey: Not all. I mean, there's a phenomenon of anonymity, power. People feel powerful in anonymity on the Internet. They feel like, especially if they don't feel empowered in real life to stand up to people, they will overcompensate with the anonymity of the Internet. There are people that are narcissists and sociopaths that just get off on getting into circular debates.
David: Right.
Corey: So there is that. But I'm absolutely positive because I helped set up a government data center for, basically, government trolls.
David: You helped set it up?
Corey: Right, as an IT (I) set up a virtual data center to where each station had a post coming up, six monitors branching off, one computer station that ran VMWare workstation. And they'd pull up VMWare workstation, and they would pull up a virtual computer screen. It would be just like when you log on to your computer. You pull up a virtual machine, a virtual computer, but this computer could be on a server anywhere in the world and the IP address is anywhere, wherever that server is in the world.
So you can be sitting at this station and be pulling up these virtual machines from servers all over the world and make it look like you're in those locations from the IP address. And these people would have over a dozen different personalities that were created online, and had back stories, back information, have social media tied to them – very complex personalities set up with them.
And these operatives were normally what we call the “personality metamorph types”. It's a program of people that were sociopaths, really good liars and infiltrators, and were really sociopaths and were really good at this job.
And they would sit down. Some of them would just troll around looking for information. Some of them would be given targets, go to certain Internet forums – esoteric Internet forums – log on with three or four user IDs, and sit there and cause a huge disruption if they saw a topic that was legit or something they didn't want to be talked about, cause a big disruption and sit there and have an argument with their self. And it looks like it's three or four people, problem people, having an argument, when it's really the same person sitting at a computer using virtual machines from all over the world and using fake personalities with user IDs.
Note:
Here are a few facts regarding the condition of sociopathy from Wikipedia on the subject titled, “Antisocial, borderline and narcissistic personality disorders”.
According to Kernberg,
antisocial,
borderline,
and narcissistic
personality disorders are all organized at a borderline level of
personality organization, and the three share some common
characterological deficits and overlapping personality traits, with
deceitfulness and exceptional manipulative abilities being the most
common traits among the three. Sociopaths, borderlines, and
narcissists are often both physically attractive (narcissists and
borderlines in particular) and highly intelligent and can be
efficient, persuasive, and incredible liars.
Other shared traits include pathological narcissism, consistent
irresponsibility, machiavellianism,
lack of empathy,
cruelty, meanness, impulsivity, proneness to self-harm and
addictions, interpersonal exploitation, hostility, anger and rage,
vanity, emotional instability, rejection sensitivity, perfectionism,
and the use of primitive defence
mechanisms that are pathological and narcissistic. Common
narcissistic
defences include splitting,
denial,
projection,
projective
identification, primitive idealization
and devaluation, distortion
(including exaggeration,
minimization
and lies), and
omnipotence.
David: Well, you have people that show up on my site and you get a whole bunch of them that all appear at once, and they start making all these anti-semitic comments. And then if we allow those to go through, somebody could then say, “Well, David is hosting anti-semitic content on his website.”
Corey: I delete those immediately off my site.
David: Yeah. What is the modus operandi of these attacks? I think what people are having a hard time understanding is, this is not a free, open debate. Are they trying to get people to doubt any of this information? Is that basically what it is? They want to make it seem like it's not credible?
Corey: They'll put out misinformation to cloudy the water and make people doubt or make people think there's been inconsistencies. They'll put out full disinformation contrary to it, or they will just make . . . they will sit there and bait people into debates that turn into circular debates that frustrate people to where people are triggered and don't want to come back, or they just say “pfft to the whole thing”. I mean, there's a whole bunch of different scenarios and tactics that they use to manipulate and play with people's minds.
And they even go as far . . . If there are certain people that are strong supporters of a certain topic that they don't like, they'll begin to harass people, stalk them online, and even form alliances with real people and manipulate them into causing problems for the person as well. So they will manipulate other people that are of a similar mind to cause problems, as well.
So they're not just manipulating the people they disagree with. They'll find other skeptics, feed them information for them to say, “Oh, okay. I knew it.” And then they will take that misinformation and feed it further down the line. And I've seen a lot of that happening with bloggers that may have good intentions, but just have a certain point of view and then they receive information that they don't take the time to verify, and they just pass it along.
These days, honestly, anyone can open a blog or self-publish a book and or a YouTube channel. So a lot of these types of people can be compromised, as well.
Note:
Throughout my more recent years of awakening, I have been able to observe many people going through situations that I myself have been through, and have taken note of how well people brave the world of the unknown for the first time. From what I've observed, both in myself, and many others, there can be a strong temptation to take up old habits, particularly those which involve passive observation and blind acceptance of unproven information. There is one type of source which, if a person is not careful, they will be just as unknowingly deceived as they were when they trusted mainstream media. You will commonly find this temptation on heavily infiltrated video sites such as Youtube.
I have found Youtube to be both a
helpful resource, and a hazardous pitfall. With a few exceptions,
almost any type of content can be uploaded on this online platform.
A person could be speaking anything from half-truths to all but
complete nonsense, but there are no rules for uploading such material
beside the general standards for content.
I have seen many behaviors on channels which pass for "alternative media" that are run by those who have no other online presence beside their Youtube channel. Some of these people commonly use fear and other tactics of propaganda within their messages, much like mainstream media. I believe it is a very good idea to be cautious when viewing such channels.
The fact is that it's easy to sound confident. It is easy to plagiarize the work of reliable and intelligent people and pass it off as one's own, and it is easy to throw numerous, incomprehensible math equations at the audience to make them think that the source is reliable. Yes, many noteworthy college professors can and have seemingly done the same thing (though after hours of chewing on such equations, they weren't so incomprehensible), but just because a Youtube personality attempts to sound like them, does not automatically make them reliable.
Many times, seemingly alternative
sources will use the exact same propagandistic tactics as the
mainstream media. The subject matter may sound “alternative” or
“new-age”, but behind the words, it's the same old song and
dance. This is why discernment can be one's greatest ally in the search for accurate information.
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David: Is it more useful to the Cabal if somebody gets into a highly charged emotional state, as opposed to if they're calm and rational?
Corey: Yes. Their goal is to throw you off. If you're calm, cool and collective and having a discussion in that matter, they'll try to get you into a circular debate until they trigger you and you lose it. And then they can say, “See, look at this person.”
David: Well, and now you can ruin your whole career with one tweet.
Corey: Right.
David: Less than 140 characters can just destroy somebody.
Corey: Right. You can ruin your reputation.
David: And there's always a digital footprint of everything you say online, no matter how charged you are, if you get blind with rage or whatever.
Corey: Right. These people are very clever. A lot of them will approach you and be real friendly even, and you will feel an affinity towards them and then pfft, they'll turn on you and something will post some information you shared with them.
David: So like will they feed your ego and boost you up and make you feel really important?
Corey: Right. You've got to be very careful with people that are telling you you're special and boosting your ego, telling you how important your work is, and that kind of thing. It's nice to hear, but you've got to be careful.
David: I noticed at the very beginning of my career that some of the people who wrote me the most complex and complimentary emails, if I then answered them, that they could turn very quickly and go from really, really praising me to being extremely angry and upset and negative.
Corey: I have been shocked at the number of people that I thought were friendlies that turned on me [snaps fingers] because I didn't answer their Skype. I got busy and didn't answer their Skype in a certain amount of weeks or whatever, and then poof.
David: Right.
Corey: So, you know, some of it is just personality, people out there that are just being people, but the data centers that we set up were absolutely for the purpose of targeting people out there that were putting out information, and also to locate these people and report them up the chain so action could be taken against them.
David: Well, let's remind the viewer that Glenn Greenwald, after leaving “The Guardian”, made his own website called 'The Intercept”. And there's a very complex series of Snowden documents that he's released on “The Intercept” documenting how they do this and showing flow charts and action plans of how these agents would attack this stuff, what things to say. And there were even examples in the documents, the Snowden documents, of like a seagull that's taken as it's flying fast so there's motion blur on the image of the body, and it kind of looks like a saucer.
Now, that picture is in there without any commentary, but it seems pretty clear, if you kind of connect the dots, that UFO forums were one of the things they were infiltrating.
Corey: Oh, yeah. The esoteric UFO forums and political and different non-governmental organization forums are their main targets.
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David: Right before the Snowden documents came out, people might remember that there were other things starting to leak, and one of them was – this was just a few days before Snowden – that folks from the Tea Party were getting unnaturally audited at a much higher rate from the IRS than people that were not. Did they have the power to do stuff like that? Can they go after you through various corporate means, including taxes or maybe health insurance or your job?
Corey: Once you're reported up the chain and you're put on any number of lists, then you're open game to be targeted in any number of ways. If you're seen as a threat and you're put on one of these government threat lists, which undoubtedly you and I are definitely on, and a lot of people are on [the lists] that follow a lot of this information, especially if they're outspoken, they're definitely on lists, and things like that can occur.
David: When I first tried to open a bank account for my website as a company, I was told I had to create an LLC for tax purposes.
Corey: Yeah, I did too.
David: The bank, there was people that did a review before they'd give me the bank account, and this is just a simple bank account, nothing special. And the lady thought she was all smart and types in “David Wilcock” on Google, and the first thing that comes up below my name is “David Wilcock fraud” on Google. “Oh, well, he must be a fraud.”
And then I went back to them and I said, “Do you realize that I've written two New York Times bestselling books, and I'm on the number-one rated show on History Channel?” “Ohh!”
And I said, “Look, tell her that everybody in my field . . . this is what happens. There's a lot of people out there that don't like controversial information.” I just left it at that. So this stuff is real. People need to be aware. And were you just brought in for a week as a consultant for this job or was this just something you had for a longer period of time?
Corey: You're usually brought in to do virtualization. I was brought in to set up the virtual environment, to help the people with their workstations, get set up learning how to navigate their new virtual environment that was set up that me and some other people set up. And then after that, we moved on.
David: So you have a matrix of six screens, probably three on top, three on the bottom?
Corey: Right.
David: And then with the VMWare, each screen is a virtual machine in some different part . . .
Corey: Right.
David: . . . of the world so the IP address looks like they live in a different area?
Corey: Right.
David: And then they're working all these screens at the same time to have arguments with each other?
Corey: At times, yes. They'll sit there and argue with their self – with these alternate ego personalities – or they'll just be into multiple forums at the same time, causing problems, waiting for other people to respond, go to this one, say a few things, you know, kick the hornet's nest over here, go back to the other forum, hit refresh, see what happened – that kind of thing.
David: This is probably going to upset and annoy some people, make them pissed off. What can be done about this? Is maybe spreading the awareness and you coming forward with this, validating what the Snowden documents said on “The Intercept”, Glenn Greenwald's website? Is that part of the process?
And also, I guess, what's the best way to handle this if you think somebody is doing this online? Should you argue with them? Should you try to expose them?
Corey: Just being aware that that is occurring is the first step. Second step – and I've been guilty of it myself; it's hard not to sometimes – do not engage them. Ignore them. Pretend you didn't even see what they said. That drives them crazy. But just don't get into a circular debate. If you talk to a person and it looks like it's going into a circular debate, they're stuck. They're going to just reargue, reargue, reargue a moot point, then just move on.
David: What did they see that it is in the human psyche that makes us . . . We could get 100 positive emails, but we'll go for the one that's negative and focus in on that, or we'll see 100 positive discussions on a forum, and one person is a hater and we've got to attack that person? What is the vulnerability in us, and how can we heal that vulnerability so that we're not wanting to engage in these conflicts?
Corey: It is a part of human nature that we always focus on the negative. But also, it goes back to the personality profiles, and them knowing your weak spot. If they found that you don't like . . . If you're uncomfortable with the way your chin looks, they'll focus on your chin kind of a thing.
David: Do you think it's advisable for people to spend more time cultivating real friendships in the real world?
Corey: Yes.
David: Because I've never had somebody talk to me in person, in all the years I've done this, over 20 years . . . In all the years I've been doing this, I've never had somebody speak to me in person with anywhere near the degree of disrespect that . . . If I read all the comments and emails that are out there per day, I could probably find 10 or 20 that are like that.
Corey: No one is the way they are in person when they're on the Internet. Even if they say, “I'm always this gruff. I don't care.” Some of the people, yeah, I guess that's true, but for the most part, even the nicest old lady, when they have the anonymity of the Internet and their power to say whatever they want, they're going to bang out some stuff here and there. And the power of the anonymity of being on the Internet and being able to make comments that you wouldn't do face-to-face normally, it's not the best way to meet people.
I've known a lot of people that have met their soulmates on dating sites. I'm not going to knock that, but Internet forums are heavily, heavily, heavily compromised by both troubled people and paid government trolls. So I don't even go to them any more. They are extremely compromised.
David: If somebody does want to try to spread the truth and they feel like some people are not listening to the truth, what are some positive things people can do to help spread this message? Should they be fighting somebody if that person just doesn't get it? Should they try a little bit and then back off? What are some positive ways to try to combat this influence and get the truth out?
Corey: Well, speak to those who are willing to listen. You're not going to be able to convince someone, so move to those who seem interested and want to know more. Don't waste your time on the person that's going to just want to argue with you. It's a waste of time.
David: I think that's a good point for us to end this episode on. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. We'll see you next time, and I thank you for watching.
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The issue of online trolls can be a nuisance for many. As a blogger, I am exposed to more online interactions that some. Consequently, this issue can have an impact on me, personally. I have found that many people react in different ways to the material I post. Many people have been supportive (which is very much appreciated), but some have been angry, and on rare occasions, they may even react violently to the challenges which discernment and self examination present.
This episode helped me remember that no matter how hard I try to be helpful, I can't please everyone, as specially those who seem to take pleasure in their own displeasure, as well as those who are paid to cause trouble.
It can be difficult to react in a positive way to those who choose to behave so negatively toward others, but there is good news. The upside to this less-than-preferable presence of online trolls is that we don't have to pay attention to them. I would agree with Corey Goode, that it is never a good idea to waste energy on endless arguments and debates. The goal of a troll is not to be constructive. Their goal is to antagonize as many people as possible.
Our energy as light-workers and light-warriors is best spent upon constructive ends. We have the task of liberating the planet and to undo the ages of brainwashing and manipulation imposed upon us by the cabal and its various factions. Their time is up, and our time of prosperity is rapidly approaching. Lets meet it on our feet, and without distraction.
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